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Old 18-05-2008, 10:31 PM
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Not true my friend. Stick to trying to convince people that Brazil is booming, it is your specialist subject!

• I was in Dublin last week. The Air Transport Agreement has transformed the U.S.-Irish aviation market. It has allowed Aer Lingus to take its place among leading transatlantic air carriers by opening new routes to Washington, San Francisco, and Orlando; inking a deal with JetBlue; and, just last month, announcing an extensive codeshare agreement with United. Moreover, U.S. airlines wishing to fly to Ireland are no longer constrained by the Shannon stop requirement. This has allowed Continental Airlines, for example, to add a second daily non-stop flight to Dublin. The winners: consumers, airlines, our respective economies.

• At London-Heathrow, we’ve witnessed a market opening like no other in aviation history, a miracle that many considered impossible:

 Where once only four airlines were allowed to offer air service—and even then, only to some cities in the United States—today a free market thrives. New transatlantic service—service previously outlawed under Bermuda 2—is now being offered from Heathrow:

USEU : Traffic Rights, Environment and Investment To Top New U.S.-EU Air Transport Talks
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Old 19-05-2008, 09:07 AM
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Another Dream World I am afraid Mr Broad. Airlines need free trade and Brazil doesn't do that...The Sheiks need total control, Brazil doesn't do that either. "Clutching at straws" to rescue a property and tourist disaster springs to mind!
You might have been somewhere even close to being right if once again you hadn't assumed that I'd stated that the Emirati were considering investing in the airport. As it is I merely referenced the newspaper article which was referenced earlier stating that Emirati were going to Brazil to talk about investing in the airport.

Just because a year later you continue to "fabricate your own reality" without any proof of fact doesn't mean I'll start.

Note that I said Emirati (aka a UAE national) not the airline Emirates. Try google translator on the link below.

"Em janeiro, o grupo Dubai Aerospace Enterprise (DAE) anunciou que poderá ser um dos parceiros privados na obra."

Lula autoriza privatização do aeroporto de São Gonçalo - Tribuna do Norte
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Old 19-05-2008, 09:26 AM
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Not true my friend. Stick to trying to convince people that Brazil is booming, it is your specialist subject!

• I was in Dublin last week. The Air Transport Agreement has transformed the U.S.-Irish aviation market. It has allowed Aer Lingus to take its place among leading transatlantic air carriers by opening new routes to Washington, San Francisco, and Orlando; inking a deal with JetBlue; and, just last month, announcing an extensive codeshare agreement with United. Moreover, U.S. airlines wishing to fly to Ireland are no longer constrained by the Shannon stop requirement. This has allowed Continental Airlines, for example, to add a second daily non-stop flight to Dublin. The winners: consumers, airlines, our respective economies.

• At London-Heathrow, we’ve witnessed a market opening like no other in aviation history, a miracle that many considered impossible:

 Where once only four airlines were allowed to offer air service—and even then, only to some cities in the United States—today a free market thrives. New transatlantic service—service previously outlawed under Bermuda 2—is now being offered from Heathrow:

USEU : Traffic Rights, Environment and Investment To Top New U.S.-EU Air Transport Talks
GW,

Maybe you should stick to selling fizzy drinks .

All you have shown here is that Aer Lingus have signed code share agreements so they can pretend they are flying domestic routes in the US.
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"Governo vai liberar tarifa para os vôos internacionais
18/05/2008 - Tribuna do Norte

A liberdade tarifária nas rotas para Europa e Estados Unidos vai começar a ser implementada até o final deste ano, garantiu ao Grupo Estado o diretor da Agência Nacional de Aviação Civil (Anac), Ronaldo Serôa da Motta. “Até dezembro temos de ter uma resolução propondo as fases de liberação para o mercado internacional”, disse Motta.

“A lei que criou a Anac me obriga a fazer a liberação tarifária, mas não determinou prazo.” Ele acredita que, uma vez publicada a resolução, no prazo de um ano as tarifas estarão totalmente liberadas. “É tempo suficiente para as companhias se adaptarem.” A proteção tarifária para Europa e Estados Unidos é o último resquício da época em que o preço das passagens era regulado pelo governo. Para essas rotas, o governo estabelece um teto mínimo e máximo para o preço que as empresas podem cobrar em cada rota. A medida protege as empresas ao garantir uma receita mínima.

A proteção só existe nos vôos do Brasil para o exterior e explica porque quem compra passagem para o Brasil lá fora paga menos. Para o diretor da Anac, o fim da proteção vai incrementar o turismo e gerar mais empregos."

Basically "freedom of pricing" for international airlines operating to Europe and the US. No specific date when it will be implemented but the person in charge said within a maximum of one year.
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For as long as l ve been living here the prefeitura have been talking about flights from Natal to the US (DIRECT)and visa versa ,just need to wait for some action.
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Old 19-05-2008, 02:34 PM
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GW, thanks for saying I’m good in legalities (was it a compliment?), I’m not lawyer though. Perhaps I'm in the wrong profession...
Today international carriers can do the following:
- Have code-share agreements. I can buy a ticket all way to Fortaleza with AirFrance, though AirFrance don’t do this route, but they have code-share with domestic airlines that make the price a bit better, not much because they have to deal with only two domestic carriers;
- Stop in one internal destination and follow to another internal destination to drop off the remaining passengers, as Robh pointed out. For instance, a company can stop by Natal (or Fortaleza, Recife,…) and keeping traveling to Maceio (or…) without problems. What an international carrier cannot do today is, while in Natal, load up the plane with passengers to drop them off in Maceio (or…); that would characterize a domestic service not allowed for international carries (I’m not aware of any country that do that). Well, the proposed Law mentioned earlier, deletes the article that states that only national carriers can provide domestic flights; in this case, if this change is approved as well, they will be able to provide domestic service while doing, for instance, the “Natal-Maceio” leg.
- Regardless of the approval of this law, today an international carrier can stop in Brazilian territory, “unload and load” passengers and keep traveling to another country. For instance, an international carrier can stop by in Natal (or Fortaleza, Recife, Salvador,…), drop off some passengers, get some more, and travel to, for example, Caracas. Actually, that is exactly what says the agreement with Emirates Airlines. They got approval to fly to three destinations in Brazil (so far, only SP was picked), and then the aircraft can keep traveling to another three South America destinations. Not less important, the agreement says that they are free to price this route! Why they asked permission to do that? Humm… These is not a speculative statement because the agreement is public available (dated May 2007/bilateral agreement between Brazil and UAE).
The real problem is domestic flights, but these protected companies have their days counted.
I’ve no claims that I understand tourism or property (I think the guys around are JMBroad, Robh, Michael, Celt, Paul_Brasil,… sorry if I miss some names, or mistakenly include some). At this point I’m even confused what I should do next, buy to rent or buy a Summer house (my original plan), and where (no $ for the overpriced 3bedrooms Ponta Negra)…But I believe things are getting in place, and my feeling is that I might be late already to buy something in the NE. I’m even having some thoughts of starting to bash Brazil before I buy something, and do the other way around after I buy it... Nahh!

Be aware: The Leather Back turtle is coming through!
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Old 19-05-2008, 02:39 PM
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What a wonderful piece of research FCZ!! What good news too- hopefully it will not die in the last months of this administration and have to be revived after the elections. I would imagine there is also a strong lobby because of the state of the air traffic control equipment, and the state of some of the airports in Brasil. This quite apart from the monopolistic structure of the industry. The funds to improve can come from foreign investment too.
Michael, I do believe they will not suceed in reprove this Law because the few protected companies in Brazil cannot buy (with $ or arguments) enough Congress men. They usually get the support of the labor Party, but seems that this time they are breaking ranks. What the executives of the domestic carriers may be doing, is try to postpone as much as they can, before the project go to vote;
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I’ve no claims that I understand tourism or property (I think the guys around are JMBroad, Robh, Michael, Celt, Paul_Brasil,… sorry if I miss some names, or mistakenly include some). At this point I’m even confused what I should do next, buy to rent or buy a Summer house (my original plan), and where (no $ for the overpriced 3bedrooms Ponta Negra)…But I believe things are getting in place, and my feeling is that I might be late already to buy something in the NE. I’m even having some thoughts of starting to bash Brazil before I buy something, and do the other way around after I buy it... Nahh!
I am not sure if bashing Brazil will work, Dotty & GW have been trying hard and it hasn't slowed things down .

If you want advice you need to specify a budget.....
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What do you mean bashing Brasil??People cant get to Natal easily and thats a fact,but people can get to the rest of Brasil pretty easily.You want a trip to SP /Rio you can buy a ticket every single day of the week with any airline and from any part of the world ,and its much further than the N.E now thats a fact is it not Rob ??
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I am not sure if bashing Brazil will work, Dotty & GW have been trying hard and it hasn't slowed things down .

If you want advice you need to specify a budget.....
My budget is up to R$300000 possibly including furniture for 3 beds. If you ask: "What do you want?" I'll say that I don't know yet. In this case is difficult to give advice. By end of July I'll spend around 2 weeks in between Ceara & RN (half family holiday, half looking around). Get to know the places, and decide where we like more. My wife wants to stay in Natal/Fortaleza or pretty close (she has the final word, females don't play fair, specially wifes...). In Ceara I have someone to show me around. My budget kicks me out of Ponta Negra, but I'll look around other neighborhoods, Pitangi, Cotovelo. I'm planning to extent our trip to Pipa as well. If I don't have time to close a deal then, I'll be back for it. But again, haven't figure out if buy a summer place (likely) or something to invest (rent/resale), resale or off-plan, or a plot to build....First I've to make up my mind; my guess that's why I'm fooling around this forum.
I promise that from now on, I'll only ask questions in this forum, not give my two cents anymore...at least until the next time. I'll post a new thread later one regarding my doubts; wrong thread perhaps, sorry.

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