Brazil Flight Information!! - Page 66

michaelbush · #**651** 23-05-2008, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by JMBroad

Now, as to our current opinions, I believe the new airport will be built, you believe it won't. And whether it will or won't remains to be seen so we don't know what is "fact" and what is "fiction" at this stage.

Most Brasilians here are certain the airport IS being built!! Not only that the land surrounding it has gone up in value some 15 times over the last 2-3 years, as it will become urban, industrial, warehousing and housing land. One owner recently increased his asking price from 6R$ to 10R$ per m2, and my sources tell me that within a year or two the land will not be bought for under 20-25R$ m2.

JMBroad · #**652** 23-05-2008, 11:59 AM

I believe it will be built too, but GW and Dotty seem to think it's a complex hoax involving 90% of the local government, several platoons of the Brazilian army and all of the local Brazilian newspapers to trick Europeans into believing there is going to be a property boom.

There is a massive free trade zone planned around the airport, hence the massive increase of prices. It's already a bit late to buy anything there as the wise have snapped most of it all up already. Large European and American wealth funds seem to be land banking a lot of it.

michaelbush · #**653** 23-05-2008, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by JMBroad

I believe it will be built too, but GW and Dotty seem to think it's a complex hoax involving 90% of the local government, several platoons of the Brazilian army and all of the local Brazilian newspapers to trick Europeans into believing there is going to be a property boom.

There is a massive free trade zone planned around the airport, hence the massive increase of prices. It's already a bit late to buy anything there as the wise have snapped most of it all up already. Large European and American wealth funds seem to be land banking a lot of it.

The big money has already been made, but there are still some really good chunks available and while I dont expect spectacular increases they will certainly double or treble - just wish I had a spare few million!
How do think they got some 600000 more brasilian millionaires, it was certainly not for the most part from working, it was from selling their lands!

debzor · #**654** 23-05-2008, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by michaelbush

The big money has already been made, but there are still some really good chunks available and while I dont expect spectacular increases they will certainly double or treble - just wish I had a spare few million!
How do think they got some 600000 more brasilian millionaires, it was certainly not for the most part from working, it was from selling their lands!

Very interesting quote re the increasing Brasilian millionaires, Michael, can you elaborate further? Currency and source? Recent figures, still increasing?

JMBroad · #**655** 23-05-2008, 12:30 PM

Don't forget that to be a Brazilian millionaire you need less than half a million Euro - 400k would do it still

robh · #**656** 23-05-2008, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Golfingworld

Para essas rotas, o governo estabelece um teto mínimo e máximo para o preço que as empresas podem cobrar em cada rota Is this a wolf in sheep's clothing? if I read this correctly it says.."the Govt will set a minimum and maximum to flight prices" which to my mind means, they will liberalise, but not a lot! Again a half measure and not what is required. As for future pricing, Natal which is the point of the discussion will not have a useful hub with decent pricing until there is heavy competition on the route, prices that are fixed from a min to max is not a liberalisation.

As for bashing Brazil, if you read my posts carefully, I am bashing those that make claims about brazil which are clearly not true. For example, this thread started about a year ago when many of you Property Agents out there were telling us in writing how easy and cheap it was to get to NE Brazil and how this new airport would open the flood gates to simple easy and economic transportation into the area....this has been the main premise of many property Sellers for this region..still is in some cases. Since that time, there can be no doubt that this myth have been busted wide open and the reality is now here. Talking of reality, I hear that natal is empty of tourism at present, many places closed and hotels talking of mass redundancies..not to mention the loss of Thomson flights and the liquidation or alleged liquidation of some major mega developments such as GNG etc etc. So before you Agents bash the likes of myself and Dotty, go and take a good look in the mirror and take stock of the reality as the property world is today.

I too hear Natal and surrounds are quiet, it is called the low season ....

michaelbush · #**657** 23-05-2008, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by debzor

Very interesting quote re the increasing Brasilian millionaires, Michael, can you elaborate further? Currency and source? Recent figures, still increasing?

Sorry - I was quoting a post from someone here on the Forum but cannot remember who it was. The currency is almost irrelevant, a millionaire here in R$ has about the same buying power as a milllionaire in Europe.

Golfingworld · #**658** 23-05-2008, 02:13 PM

Mr Broad, do you know where one of the longest runways in the Uk is? Doncaster..now known as Robin Hood Airport....only recently developed by your friends at Thomson Fly. Has it become a major transit route and opened up the local economy? There is a vast difference between a new airport and a new hub....if the brazilian Govt be it federal or Local are so confident about it, why seek investment from outside? Clearly you cannot have a hub in place without the infrastructure, by two swallows do not make a summer and it seems to me that many are clinging onto the hope that this airport will be the starting point for the oversold and underinvested boom that is allegedly on the way.

Brazil has potential but it is way way behind other parts of the world like Middle East and Far East, clearly this is why it is cheap....but what seems clear to me is that real tourist investment has not gone in......I just paid the same price as a Pousada on Ponta Negra for a fully furnished "business suite in The Far East, includes flat screen tv, iron, kettle, ac, king bed, free water, safe, dvd and stereo etc etc.........and the flight price was over £200 less than Brazil. Give me onbe good reason why there is going to be a stampede to Brazil for so much less at the same price and get mugged int he process. I am not knocking Brazil, just recognising the reality..something that few seem able to do!

robh · #**659** 23-05-2008, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by michaelbush

Sorry - I was quoting a post from someone here on the Forum but cannot remember who it was. The currency is almost irrelevant, a millionaire here in R$ has about the same buying power as a milllionaire in Europe.

The figures I have heard were talking about USD millionaires.

JMBroad · #**660** 23-05-2008, 02:39 PM

Double post