So you have spotted Cancun within a plethora of "emerging" markets that don't take direct flights other then through their usual hubs. Your arguments just doesn't stack up I am afraid....if is not for me to prove that the evidence from all these locations is wrong..it is for you to prove that it is! Since the first day I looked at Brazil, every "tom dick and harry" told me they are building a new airport and that is why I should buy. Nobody has yet convinced me that established airline routes will change. Even the Brazilians have now admitted that they can't get their new airport open on time and that they are seeking external finance for it through The Spanish airport authority AENA. Just look at this rationally and look at how things are sld and marketed. You have a a plan, which is quite sensible, but you need to finance it...so what do you do....you put through an optimistic tourist development plan..you make a load of positive statements and then the reality sets in. It is highly significant that midway through the project, they look for outside finance to complete it? Who is going to finance it? It is being forward mortgaged....and what else is..your deposit my friend! Your view is that the hype is worth the risk, mine is that it isn't....property prices on new developments in NE Brazil are ridiculous, nothing more nothing less.

Hi all,

YES -GW I made a mistake, but admitted that!
But I have seen prices from £315 (but manchester like I said)

I already understand the reasons why airlines are not planning YET TO FLY THERE and one is clearly the safety issues and the other is the uncertainty like you just highlighted!!

No company in their right mind would make premature routing plans to natal until safety, security, airtraffic control and systems are significantly improved coupled with restoring the trust and faith again in the brazilian aviation!!

Also primarily because of the uncertainty like youve stated surrounding the new build natal airport- Will it?wont it? when? and how?
Companies will not start planning around a proposed airport with much uncertainty- once it is up and running then that is a completely DIFFERENT STORY THEN!!!As they can touch it, see it, feel it etc..etc...etc!!!
Its at this point when ALL BECOMES REALITY!!!!

It would be like counting your chickens before theyve hatched!!!!!

See ya D

Oh I forgot, Natal also take direct flights from Europe without having to go through the country's main hub? But hang on, you were saying that because this isn't possible Natal will never grow?

Or what will it be next, the fact that you can't buy one way tickets ex-brazil, I bet you can if you are Brazilian or have a resident's visa. If you are a foreigner then like most countries you aren't allowed into brazil unless you have a return ticket so it doesn't really matter does it?

My friend, we are at the end of the road. I have provided more than enough evidence that the great theory of a new airport in Natal is literally "pie in the sky". I would guess that you cannot be convinced as you have already believed the hype and find it hard to think "oh blimey, I might have got this one wrong"! We are going to start boring people here soon with the same old statements. The issue surrounding any such forum is that we do what it says on the tin which is to air our views in the forum so more level headed people than us can see it read it and make their choice. Time will tell and others will take a view privately or on here. I haven't been swamped with Developers telling me that I am crazy..if I was to hazard a guess it is becuase they have decided to leave the subject alone. Why, because their job is to sell and to enter into a debate that might blow their credibility is not wise. If the moneyfloods in, I am wrong, if it doesn't I am right...simple as that.

HI GW,

Actually I dont think I could stomache this debate for the next 3-5 years either until things change!! And one of us has been proven wrong and publically "eaten their words"

Lets "agree to disagree" and like weve so boldly stated "only time will tell!!!
Although I will miss this interesting and amusing debate!!!

Im sure that IF/WHEN news of direct flights to natal have been announced then "WE WILL MEET AGAIN"!!
Adios amigos

Take care, see ya D

P.S- Im mrs but my portugese is minimal and my spanish is a bit rusty as Im out of practice!!!
Any way Happy hunting to all!!!

My opinion is that the new airport is not required anyway, the runway there is long enough and planes can fly in and out 24 hours a day. All you need to do to increase the capacity of the old airport is build a bigger terminal, even just doubling the staff there could increase the capacity very quickly.

From my point of view this argument was never about whether the airport will be built, but whether tourist numbers will increase and this is what anyone who buys there should be worried about.

Hi all,

Back for one last stand b4 bedtime!!

The figures are increasing rapidly especially in natal- but brazil cant cope so yes more staff and training required!!

But MORE eu flights required especially from the uk!!

Good night-D

Hey golfing guy -are you even on the right forum here?
Brazil is a beach and lifestyle destination.
You openly invite vitriolic responses so i will rise to the bait, dipense with the polite charade and cordially and respectfully invite you to go forth, collect your favourite number one wood and find a suitable nearby location that is both warm and dark.
Your insensitivity to the vast number of first timers and inexperienced investors who frequent this forum is breathtaking.
Whilst you gloat and arrogantly congratulate yourself in a misguided notion of superiority,your narrow minded and highly opinionated views are undoubtedly causing fellow members on this forum a great deal of totally unneccesary distress.
Many of these people,rightly or wrongly- i choose not to judge, have placed their faith and life savings in order to following their dream in Brazil. Human nature is such that we all need to be guided by a belief and your self appointed role as latter day Nostradamus is merely serving to erode that faith.You will not change any minds here-your only achievement will be to cause very many genuine people and friends of mine a great deal of lost sleep.
I do'nt know much about you fella,or what your agenda is ,but what i do know
is that anyone who averages 5.55 posts per day spends a great deal more time talking about things than actually doing them.

The members of this forum have at least had the courage to follow their convictions, whereas in marked contrast you unequivocally demonstrate that you are totally incapable of displaying any vision beyond the rear end of a jumbo jet.
It is abundantly clear that you have no concept whatsoever of the Alphaville phenomenon in Brazil.
Allow me to conclude with two quotations.One applies to you.The other does not.
"Conditions are never just right.People who delay action until all factors are favourable do nothing"
William Henry Feather Author,successful entreprenuer and aviation expert.
( i lied about the aviation expert bit!)

"The most interesting international opportunity for investors right now is Brazil"
Sam Zell
Property visionary who made BILLIONS by being ahead of the curve.

The day you can convince me that you have more money than Sam Zell is the day i start listening to you.In the meantime,go and practice your putting.

Hi guys n gals,


SORRY- JUST GOT MY SECOND WIND!!!!

Stumbled across one last article the other day on world of property site-which Ive always found extremely usefull and uptodate!!

Property NewsPartnership boost for Brazilian property
British property buyers heading to Brazil may be just the start of European investment interest in South America's largest country, writes Paul Beasley
Where intrepid British property buyers go, the European Union is sure to follow? Well, that's how it seems, as last week the EU held its first ever Brazilian summit, a country rich in land, resources and people. Add to this forecasts from global investment behemoth Goldman Sachs that the Brazilian economy is set to become one of the world's most dominant in the not-too-distant future, and it's no wonder that the land of carnival also boasts perhaps the emerging property market of 2007.

Unsurprising, then, that the EU spies a potentially lucrative trading partner over the Atlantic horizon - with greater cooperation in energy, transport and regional development dominating discussions at the summit. And when it comes to regional development, there's no doubt that the Natal region - the current hotspot for Brazilian property - has stolen a march on its neighbours, and is already attracting considerable interest from European property buyers.

As Anthony Fernandes of SPC Overseas claims, "Brazilian property is perhaps the most exciting investment opportunity anywhere in the world today. The potential for enormous growth is underpinned by its vast natural resources. Natal is the first Brazilian region to benefit and the current $1.8 billion being invested here and in the surrounding areas over the next five years is sure to help keep Brazil well documented in the national newspapers as the world watches its meteoric rise."[/size]


This meeting with the EU SUMMIT AND BRAZIL Is the sign of many GREAT THINGS TO COME !!!!!

See ya D

P.S-WG ...Nice speech !!!!!

P.P.S- -Article published 17th July 07

[quote=wolfgang;11352]Hey golfing guy -are you even on the right forum here?
Brazil is a beach and lifestyle destination.

Wolfgang, thanks for the invitation, I had thought about taking you up on it, but as soon as I become offensive or boring I am sure I'll get drummed out of here. Much to the stisfaction of those who find it uncomfortable listening to "the other view". Someone runs this site and they moved me here, they also felt that I had raised an interesting issue and as yet had not gone over the top. If, somebody is losing sleep because I am prepared to say what many won't I apologise, but second or deeper thinking from the negative side might alleviate casualties. Had, perhaps someone done that on the Costa del Sol, then perhaps there would be thousands not paying interest only mortgages on properties worth 20% less than they paid for them. Why am I here, it is fun, interesting and I have done my research into Natal and I really don't think it stacks up at the prices asked and the available flights. I also believe that the "off plan " market is fanciful. If Natal is a beach and lifestyle destination, why are they building 10 golf courses, which was my original post? Is it just for planning permission? If it is what does that tell you? My agenda...simple ....this forum is fun and useful, you get back good info and views, you can sort of test the interest. I guess one could say that my original post has evolved into transport, but the core question remains....how is this "opportunity" going to explode as is mooted as to me the basics just aren't there. You can't get there easily from anywhere really and you can't get there cheap. Golf in Brazil is not very practical to my mind, it is awfully hot there and will cost a fortune to get your clubs there, much as it all seems a nice idea. I actually think your philosphy of fun and sun is right and all the more reason why I am sceptical. But thanks for the left hook to the ribcage....if I've opened some eyes and put the other case I have had my uses. It has kept me busy during a wet weekend and it has convinced me more that it is based on hype not fact. I accept your invitaion now to be drummed out of here because I haven't told you what you want to hear....I hope you are not hypocritical enough to use any of my links to try and find yourself a a cheap flight. Bye the way..a 1 wood is really known as a Driver. Bye all....Wolfgang rules again..cheers