GW,

Why don't you post your photos on the forum for all the see....

Also why wont you tell me which hotels you asked about occupancy rates, which hotels you tried to get 20-30% off, why wont you even tell me which pousada you stayed in whilst you were in Pipa?

Next time you are in Pipa, walk in to a certain pousada (I will give you and anyone else the name privately, but not on a public forum), put down 20 to 30% less than the asking price for a room and see what happens.
A place in there cost 60k€ 3 years ago, the last one sold a year ago for 120k€ (a resale), occupancy is 75% year round. I know this as I know the manager of the resort well and secondly I know the people that bought the resale. I also know the manager/developer of another pousada, they are bringing in 70% (I will give you the name as well if you like, so you can try for your discount).
Now these occupancy numbers are above the average, but what it does mean is that if you choose your development well you can do very well out of it.

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If anyone wants fotos they can message me. My pousada was right on the main street prime location, by the bridge down to the beach. The other pousadas were on the main street or down on the beach..oddly I don't collect hotel names just to substantiate my comments on here. You can currently buy a 2 bed 55 sq metre 2 bed flat 90% complete,15 mins from the beach in Ponta Negra, 10 mins from bars and discos, fully secured with porter, garage, pool, european fittings for £45k or €66k available from Feb 08. Ponta Negra is highly rentable, 20 mins from airport (£15) prime location. Can email fotos of these too if you like. Can also email airtickets, copies of rent a car receipts and hotel bills..still doubting me? Yes Pipa is nice, you feel in Europe not Brazil but it is everything I said, European prices, as pointed out by you above with your prices. Transfers to Pipa are also expensive and tiring. My whole point is that prices quoted by some are ridiculous if one is prepared to do some ground work for oneself. From my research, all the European offered off-plan developments are 15/25% more expensive than the man who goes it alone and to my mind that premium will not be recovered for at least 7 years. Yes prices were lower 3 years ago all round but that is primarily before European Developers and Agents started deliberately over-cooking the prices with false demand. Anyone who has done real research will realise that there wasn't anyone in Brazil that didn't want to sell me a house or a flat once the word got around. My advice to anyone would be to find a local Brazilian and search independently with them as it is amazing the differential in prices....want a name...can email that as well if you like? So my friend, yes I have been there...3rd visit in 8 months and I more or less speak the lingo and have a Brazilian partner who translates the rest...so all angles have been covered.

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[quote=robh;14469]GW,

Why don't you post your photos on the forum for all the see....

Fotos are with the administrator, he'll advise how to view them. Fotos show Pipa and Buzios beach in both directions, main street Pipa at 5pm and an appartment in Ponta Negra 20% cheaper than anything offered off plan. My DNA results come through next week for submission!

GW,

Life is too short, plus we are too busy selling properties, must be all the false demand for them .

But I will leave you with this:

You say in your opinion the so-called premium (which we don't have and will vehemently argue against if we see it) of 15/25% will take 7 years to recover.

Lets assume that the premium is like you say 25%, divide that by 7 and that means you only expect to earn 3.57% on your investment per year. (for any accountants out there, I know this is not exactly correct because of compounding, the real figure is around 3.3%, but for the sake of argument doesn't really matter)

Currently the inflation rate in Brazil is 4%, and if it stays the same you will lose 0.47% each and every year on the value of your property in real terms if you didn't pay the premium.

Sorry but I can't see how YOU could possibly even consider investing in anything in Brazil, whether off-plan or resale. If you believe what you are saying, then put your money in the bank.

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Sorry my friend, you've lost me on the maths there.....but trying to fathom what you say it would seem that you are telling me that I am better to pay a 25% premium on today's actual market price and buy today because if I don't I will lose out due to inflation. I must ring all my customers therefore and tell them that today I am putting my prices up by 25%, so as to save them money against inflationary losses over the next seven years! I wish I had thought of that one first..you are right..life's too short..I have empty beaches to sit on and worry about my investments.

Very cute, if you don't understand the maths then I suggest you dont invest.

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[quote=Golfingworld;14511]GW,

Buzios is not Pipa and is not Natal, you might as well put up pictures of Recife.

Ill bet you Pipa was empty at 5pm, now that must have been a hard shot to get as it is siesta time. Try a photo at 10 pm. I have attached a photo of where I was at 5pm and another at 7pm.

I suppose you are going to show Pipa's beaches empty as proof that no-one is there, funny but there are 4 or 5 beaches that you can easily walk to, so it is pretty rare to go to a beach that is full of people unless you are there at new years maybe.

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Yes you are right, Buzios is 20km (15 miles from Natal) and Pipa 80km (50km in a straight line of there was one). Bearing in mind the quote on your website about 7000km of beaches, can I assume that the other 6920km were full (or at least 70%) and that I must have just gone to the wrong ones? On the basis that Pipa/Buzios or Natal is only "just under 7 hours from mainland Europe" (well it might be with a strong tide, if you dive in at Cape Finisterre, NW Spain) but more like 9hrs 40 from the UK, it is not unreasonable to assume that the three main beaches closest to Europe might reflect more than a handful of people in resorts that are booming. Caveat Emptor!

6.5 hours from Lisbon last time I went that way.

The reason why you buy in Brazil is because the beaches aren't packed, go to the costa del sol if you want that ...

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GolfXXXX,

How come you don't remember the pousada name like robh asked you three times? You didn't stay there did you? it sounds like you were telling a porky, tsk tsk...

Why don't you show some examples of the difference in prices? I don't mean you writing them on here, I mean you directing people to websites with the different prices. After all I have caught you out a few times making things up so I would like to be sure u know....

BT.