Yeah your right it is not easy, but its not that hard either. Who ever made it rich by being lazy? Does not effort pay more! all my theories on this are based maximising gains and even more import to me is on minimising my risks, eg checking out the areas (instint is worth alot), dont just rely on tourism because you have such a big advantage with Brazil that you dont have too which i dont think alot of people on here has realised and just got caught on sales spin. Brazil is not Cape Verde with only tourism so why is a unbuilt worth more than a quality resale? its not in UK, Europe or US infact its the oppisite!!!!!!! Where not talking about cars here are we.

You may be right Golf pro offplan voices seem quiet at the mo, is this a coincidence or are people really thinking about this now???

Ok, further past the tower blocks in land i dont know them so cant comment, but at least now the info about all these other villas is now there for others who dont know about them.

I back to work now, back on line this eve, C ya

I still think you guys are comparing apples and oranges. You cannot compare an offplan north of Natal to a resale in PN, it just doesn't make sense.

But if you compare the offplan in PN to the resale in PN, I do not think you are going to see much of a difference. £100k will buy you a lot of off-plan in PN, and £100k is the sort of money you guys are talking about (which you need to put down straight away, for offplan you don't).

It will then come down to which one will rent out more and appreciate more, the brand new place overlooking the sea or the 15 y.o. refurbished villa or apartment 2km's away from the beach?

Regards,
Rob.

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Paul,

The villas you were talking about were 70k to 120k 2 years ago, those prices will not be the same now.

BT

If effort paid more, every building site worker would be rich, it is knowing when to put the effort in that will make you rich.....

The interesting thing that is unfolding here is that a counter view to offplan has come out of the woodwork. Quite simply, there are two ways, the easy way or the difficult one. Usually in life, the easy one costs more and yields less profit. Everyone will choose which route they wish to take, but what does seem to have happened here is that some who have made wild claims about the positives are mellowing and being more realistic about things....this is good news as it brings more reality to the debate. I can only speak of natal and the area (and a short visit to Salvador) but there is no doubt in my mind that Ponta Negra has "mass tourism" potential and clearly north of this city these new developments are not going to lie empty for years..so this is the area to go in my view and there is a large resale potential in this city..so anyone who wants profit should think twice before taking the easy route off plan and out of town.

GW,

You need to stop eating those pizzas you get in thailand with the extra mushrooms.

You are again claiming that PN will take off (it will be like South beach, Miami according to you ), but will slate anyone who says North of Natal will take off.

You will even slate anyone, including me, that says a place is taking off when it really is taking off.

You also don't even argue when someone says that an off-plan in PN will do better than one of your great resale villas in PN, which to me invalidates your whole argument.

I don't think you are convincing people that you are right, I think you are boring them to sleep.

BT

I get my mushrooms at Tesco BT! The off plans in PN will be great when they are finished, tell the first visitors to bring some bricks with them.

Hi Rob,
I am not actually comparing PN to offplan, as your right that is a bad comparison considing its not beach front, i only helped out with some info on the place, but trying to get back to like for like on resale beach front (or very near) villas/apartments in other areas both Grande de norde and Ceara against the offplan.

Also Ponta Negra doesnt do it for me as it does not cover enough of the internal market in my opinion, and also villas there are too expensive for me. correct me if im wrong GW but I think the point GW is making is that why take the extra risks on hoping a new area takes the extra tourist when you could hit an already popular tourist area (popular interms of brazils current tourist rate i mean)

Fair point that was a bad example from my behalf but i think people will understand what i was getting at hopefully!!