Robh, the last time I was in Brazil "The Law" you claim has to be adhered to, appeared (allegedly) to be somewhat flexible and "subject to negotiation".

If some poor unsuspecting buyer arrives and finds his taps are not up to spec...what exactly can he do about that? There is theory and practice in any walk of life and your theory on Brazil is great but I doubt the practice works the same way as in other parts of the world.

Hi Rob,
Ok comparison is there in so many places in Brazil, does anyone on here really think that a beach front or near, communal apartments or a communal group of villas is something new in Brazil??? Are these developers the first to invent this idea? REALLY!
Also in some aspects you are correct about security if you buy a resale that is not in a communal, i have stated that, you have housekeeper instead.
Quality is can only be to anyones standard, people will have different levels of what they consider to be high stardard or medium, but the fact is if you cant see it then you dont know if it meets your stardard, that one part of the risk hence why off plans are normally cheaper.

No one on here is slagging off offplan developments and certainly not me and i dont believe Golf has either, I have shown a different ways things can be done and i hope i have helped people in the way they think about investments in brazil, Golf has attacked agents about biggin up the sale which he right to do so and agree with what he says, but he is actually helping others to look at the bigger picture to no thanks, its just strong points of veiw and information he is adding, it s not an attack on investors buying offplans! I put up Resale vs offplan to make people think about it as clearly before most people hadnt, obviously i favour resales but i ve added disadvantage on them aswell on this thread and others for information for others.
we who you say are slagging of offplans hope offplans are successfull as much as anyone because we are investors too in brazil and will benifit if it helps the market. We want to show our thoughts if we think it might just help others to look at ALL the aspects instead of just a biased sales view. Sorry that that does not help your business.

Regards
Paul

Personally I think you've brought a lot of action to the forums and have made a lot of people sit up and challenge what they are being told, which is a good thing. As long as people think for themselves I think they will come to the conclusion that some developments can be a good investment opportunity.

But I do get annoyed that you never once seem to be positive about anything an agent posts here. It reminds me of John Cleese and "the argument"... Your criticism would be more appreciated if you could also recognise the positive side of the argument instead of ONLY battering on about the same negative points. As in any exchange of information, when one side starts ignoring the other it becomes a monologue.

The fact that you do believe in off-plan investment is proven by the fact that you've bought. Good for you and best of luck with your investment, hope it works out for you. I guess I can take that as an answer to the question I asked you about two (!?) months ago, if you believed Brasil was a good investment or not.

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Yes, I work for a Real Estate company doing market research and analysis but I'm not involved in sales.

Have a nice day

There is probably a good reason he didn't make any claims

So you bought somewhere with no history of capital growth and that can't be rented. Good luck to you....

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Show me a proper comparison then.

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How can something (allegedly) appear if you observed it.

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You saved the world from one website having wrong information on it .... now if you just deleted most of the posts you have written here you would have fixed this website as well.

No my friend you are right...I didn't buy a piece of a hole in the ground, up a pathway with nowhere to buy milk with a slice of land in front of my apartment that might have a skyscraper on it in five years time. Nor did I buy a place that is over an hour from the airport pretending to be 30 mins away from my brand new A380 that will land in the biggest commercial aiport in the world that will get me there for £400!. Nor did I buy a piece of a fancy sand dune where the only history is that nobody has stood on it, least of all rented it or built on it for the last 10,000 years! What I did was got off my backside and left no stone unturned to find what I thought was right for me at the price I wanted with the person who I felt would do a good job for the price he wanted. I read all the websites, contacted some and spoke to many who's nearest knowledge of Brazil was buying some cashews in Tescos or watching Ronhaldinho play for Barcelona. They spoke to me in "property speak" and in more cliches that made an interview with Wayne Rooney sound like a lecture at The Harvard Business School. I researched how the rentals would be paid to me, how I could get the money paid and banked, the locations and prices. I never went near a "launch party" nor on an inspection jolly where you have more chance of escaping Al Quaeda then the Agents accompanying you. I did what I thought was best for me and I bought as you say in a place with no investment history...10 mins from the Beach in Ponta Negra! But, what would that area know about Capital growth compared to a hole in the ground 80km away?