A Couple "Musts" and "MustNots" When Investing In Brazil - Page 10

robh · #91 12-12-2007, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by MarikaAR

I agree there is numerous agents that sell Brazil that have never been there and only sell developments with information provided by a developer or master agent. A number of companies will have a few Brazilian products, but they will all be provided to them by one master agent.

Whether agents are deliberately misleading clients; sure there are some of them. Most will not do this purposefully. Word gets around fast and the agent will only hurt his/her own reputation.

The trick is to find an agent with a vested interest in Brazil. Ask the right questions of them; e.g. Have they been to Brazil? Have the particular sales person been to Brazil? Do any in the company speak Portuguese (I honestly do not know how you can sell any development in Brazil without at least an understanding of Portuguese)? Do they only sell one project in one state or do they have a wider cover (such as numerous properties in one state, or different properties in different states)?

Do your own research, don't believe everything the agent says and always employ independent lawyers. The might seem steep in the beginning, but it will end up saving you money in the long term.

Whilst I agree with what you have said and fortunately we pass all of your criteria, I am not sure by what you mean regarding this:

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Originally Posted by MarikaAR

Do they only sell one project in one state or do they have a wider cover (such as numerous properties in one state, or different properties in different states)?

Regards,
Rob.

MarikaAR · #92 12-12-2007, 02:36 PM

Not aimed at you at all Rob.

You clearly sell a number of properties in Pipa, have made Pipa your exclusive market and know everything about it.

However, there is a number of agents that only sell one project to get a feel of the market and do not give their clients the option of investing in other projects. Some have researched this one development and found it the best investment opportunity ant the project that matches their client base and that is absolutely fine.

I am only weary of the agents that sell only one development in Brazil. It is vast country with numerous, numerous developments.

RalphJ · #93 12-12-2007, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by robh

Whilst I agree with what you have said and fortunately we pass all of your criteria, I am not sure by what you mean regarding this:

Regards,
Rob.

I think what she's driving at is if the company is small or large. Naturally a larger, well-known company with a history would be considered safer to invest with then a smaller, lesser-known company, given the history of the large company is a good one.

Yet one must still be careful. Just because a company or agency is offering numerous different properties in many different places throughout brazil doesn't mean he is legitimate or more credible. The "grifters" that I have came to know here in Brazil were/are currently offering numerous brazilian properties/developments from the far south, to the far north.

Nothing beats doing your homework. And I must agree with golfingworld with what he continues to say, and that is investors must travel to brazil, see what they like, attempt to find some people they can trust, attorneys, etc. And as others here have mentioned, ALWAYS get an independant lawyer!! Don't take advice from the developer, the agent, or a "friend" of the developer or agent in regards to an attorney or accountant. This is something that must be derived on the part of the investor, from a source he generates that is completely and 100% independant of the developer/agents.

beenthere · #94 17-12-2007, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by RalphJ

I think what she's driving at is if the company is small or large. Naturally a larger, well-known company with a history would be considered safer to invest with then a smaller, lesser-known company, given the history of the large company is a good one.

Yet one must still be careful. Just because a company or agency is offering numerous different properties in many different places throughout brazil doesn't mean he is legitimate or more credible. The "grifters" that I have came to know here in Brazil were/are currently offering numerous brazilian properties/developments from the far south, to the far north.

Nothing beats doing your homework. And I must agree with golfingworld with what he continues to say, and that is investors must travel to brazil, see what they like, attempt to find some people they can trust, attorneys, etc. And as others here have mentioned, ALWAYS get an independant lawyer!! Don't take advice from the developer, the agent, or a "friend" of the developer or agent in regards to an attorney or accountant. This is something that must be derived on the part of the investor, from a source he generates that is completely and 100% independant of the developer/agents.

What about not dealing with companies with very dubious looking testimonials on their website: Invest Safely With MJR - Testimonials

To quote:
We couldn't be happier with our Brazilian investment! Thanks to MJR Developments they showed us how we had to invest in Brazil the correct, legal way.
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Posted on 12.03.2007 (4:50 AM) by admin

The lack of a name, the wooden statement and using an obvious photo from a stock library gives it away.

RalphJ · #95 17-12-2007, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by beenthere

What about not dealing with companies with very dubious looking testimonials on their website: Invest Safely With MJR - Testimonials

To quote:
We couldn't be happier with our Brazilian investment! Thanks to MJR Developments they showed us how we had to invest in Brazil the correct, legal way.
Read more • 0 Comments
Posted on 12.03.2007 (4:50 AM) by admin

The lack of a name, the wooden statement and using an obvious photo from a stock library gives it away.

Well, if you knew how to use the internet you would see it DOES have a name...matter of fact two of them. But since you've shown you don't know your way around websites very well, you should probably attempt to not make statements you know nothing about.

If you click on "Read More" it will open up another box where the rest of their statement is...and they signed it. If you would like their phone number I'll throw it up here for you as long as I get their permission...which I'm sure I can. They're in Spain at the moment so it wouldn't be too difficult for you to call.

But you are right about the stock photo...those sites have been up literally for weeks and still need "tweeking". One of the things I have to do is get their actual photo....they're supposed to be sending me one soon.

So once again, for someone who asks for "proof" all the time that a negative won't happen you sure as hell love to make a lot of assumptions!!

Here's the rest of their statement that is on my website...if you would've only clicked on "Read More" you would've saw it. But I'm aware we've yet to chip in for your tutor.

Today not only do we have a gorgeous beachfront home built to our specifications, but we have our Brazilian permanent investors visas and have no worries about when/if we sell our Brazilian investment not being able to reinvest our monies wherever we choose. Our investment monies entered Brazil via Banco Central from our personal bank accounts ensuring us of the freedom to invest when, where, and how we choose! Unfortunately we have friends that were not so lucky and were given incorrect information, or bad advice by agents outside of Brazil. Thanks to MJR our investment was done the correct way and in respect to Banco Central's conditions for Brazilian foreign investment.

Thanks MJR!!!!

-Alan Bilsborough and Patricia Duckworth

Hey beenthere...ever heard of marcos weiss??

beenthere · #96 17-12-2007, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by RalphJ

Well, if you knew how to use the internet you would see it DOES have a name...matter of fact two of them. But since you've shown you don't know your way around websites very well, you should probably attempt to not make statements you know nothing about.

If you click on "Read More" it will open up another box where the rest of their statement is...and they signed it. If you would like their phone number I'll throw it up here for you as long as I get their permission...which I'm sure I can. They're in Spain at the moment so it wouldn't be too difficult for you to call.

But you are right about the stock photo...those sites have been up literally for weeks and still need "tweeking". One of the things I have to do is get their actual photo....they're supposed to be sending me one soon.

So once again, for someone who asks for "proof" all the time that a negative won't happen you sure as hell love to make a lot of assumptions!!

Here's the rest of their statement that is on my website...if you would've only clicked on "Read More" you would've saw it. But I'm aware we've yet to chip in for your tutor.

Today not only do we have a gorgeous beachfront home built to our specifications, but we have our Brazilian permanent investors visas and have no worries about when/if we sell our Brazilian investment not being able to reinvest our monies wherever we choose. Our investment monies entered Brazil via Banco Central from our personal bank accounts ensuring us of the freedom to invest when, where, and how we choose! Unfortunately we have friends that were not so lucky and were given incorrect information, or bad advice by agents outside of Brazil. Thanks to MJR our investment was done the correct way and in respect to Banco Central's conditions for Brazilian foreign investment.

Thanks MJR!!!!

-Alan Bilsborough and Patricia Duckworth

Hey beenthere...ever heard of marcos weiss??

What a laugh, you admit the photo is fake and you expect me to believe the rest of your testimony, which just happens to pefectly fit your marketing ploy, is real.

Wow you found out I am in Spain at the moment. Great to know that my private details are safe on your website, I wonder what would happen with the rest of my details if your company had them .....

The only Marcos Weiss I know is a Brazilian born artist living in California.

RalphJ · #97 17-12-2007, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by beenthere

What a laugh, you admit the photo is fake and you expect me to believe the rest of your testimony, which just happens to pefectly fit your marketing ploy, is real.

Wow you found out I am in Spain at the moment. Great to know that my private details are safe on your website, I wonder what would happen with the rest of my details if your company had them .....

The only Marcos Weiss I know is a Brazilian born artist living in California.

Huh? I said that Alan Bilsborough and Patricia Duckworth are in Spain at the moment....not you! Once again...comprehension problems. You are marcos weiss aren't ya?

Man, you have some serious problems don't ya bud? You have had issues with every single person on this board. Ya know what they say, "If I think everyone is crazy I may need to take a look at myself."

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Wow you found out I am in Spain at the moment. Great to know that my private details are safe on your website, I wonder what would happen with the rest of my details if your company had them .....

And, just to respond to this ignorant statement...there are NO "private details" on the internet 'weed. If that's what your looking for you better solicit the service of a proxy server..."whooooosh". That was the sound of the last statement flying over your head. And, FYI, those sites have absolutely NO tracking tools assigned to them at this moment whatsoever. At this moment I have no idea when/if there are people on my site, where they are from, number of hits, etc,etc. But that will be resolved soon as well.

And thanks a lot for bumping up this thread and drawing some interest.

RalphJ · #98 17-12-2007, 02:30 PM

and for your information....websites are built with "stock photos". One must then replace them with whatever photos they want. The testimony is REAL. The photo is a stock photo that the webdesigner put on the site...it will be replaced SOON with the actual photo of Alan Bilsborough and Patricia Duckworth. But just because I didn't have their actual photo doesn't mean I can't put up their testimony. Much better than leaving the text that was there previously, which was in LATIN, don't ya think? The only difference in the photo that is there now and their actual photo is about 25 years! But don't worry, they're actual photo will be up shortly, as soon as I receive it.

RalphJ · #99 17-12-2007, 02:45 PM

ok...just spoke with Alan and Patricia. Actually they're in England at the moment but on their cell phone from Spain. You, or anyone else, can feel free to give them a ring.

beenthere · #**100** 17-12-2007, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by RalphJ

Huh? I said that Alan Bilsborough and Patricia Duckworth are in Spain at the moment....not you! Once again...comprehension problems. You are marcos weiss aren't ya?

Man, you have some serious problems don't ya bud? You have had issues with every single person on this board. Ya know what they say, "If I think everyone is crazy I may need to take a look at myself."

And, just to respond to this ignorant statement...there are NO "private details" on the internet 'weed. If that's what your looking for you better solicit the service of a proxy server..."whooooosh". That was the sound of the last statement flying over your head. And, FYI, those sites have absolutely NO tracking tools assigned to them at this moment whatsoever. At this moment I have no idea when/if there are people on my site, where they are from, number of hits, etc,etc. But that will be resolved soon as well.

And thanks a lot for bumping up this thread and drawing some interest.

So if there is no tracking of people visiting your website why is there this code on all your web pages:

<script src="http://www.google-analytics.com/urchin.js" type="text/javascript">
</script>
<script type="text/javascript">
_uacct = "UA-198889-18";
urchinTracker();
</script>

This looks like you have been and still are tracking everybody. (For the un-technical google analytics is a website tracking service used to track user behaviour on a website.)

You ask why I have issues with a lot of people on this forum it is because I like catching people out that don't tell the truth.