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A Couple "Musts" and "MustNots" When Investing In Brazil - Page 18

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Old 25-01-2008, 03:47 PM
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Right first thngs first Airline pricing;to really get that market going, people need to get there for less than £500 or the Euro equivalent all the year round. They don't need to be locked into unchangeable tickets and they need to be able to buy (legally) a one way ticket out of Brasil at a reasonable price. The holday ownership/rental market only works because consumers have flexibility, ease of transport and good value as and when. Markets do not boom where you have to add 6 hours onto your round trip via Rio/SP or Lisbon. If a family of four want to rent and their airtravel excess £1500/2000 then pure economics state it is more viable to go "all inclusive" or "package/pacote" as they get added benefits which would cost them a lot more for a private rental. Owners want to spend longer periods there, so the standard charter, albeit cheap when demand is down will not sell you a 4/6/8 week ticket, all this removes market and consumer flexibility and supresses demand. This currently leaves owners with TAP or the trek via Rio which is ludicrous. To give you an example, lets assume Morocco is now booming and you told all your customers that there are easy cheap and reliable flights from the UK to Fez via Dakar or Abidjan..you'd be laughed out of court! This is what people are being told for Brazil. So until such time as the flight issues are addressed, everything else is pure speculation. If you want to see how it is really done, The UAE have turned an overheated dust bowl into the world's most advancing mega destination and hub in less than 15 years..how....by using their head and getting the airline, pricing and airport in place first and then publicising and marketing it properly..they didn't sit there and say "all the infrastructure will come" they made it come! There are millions of people in South America and likewise in Europe that all want to go to eachother's continent and they all have to pass over a 1000km stretch between Fortaleza and Recife to get anywhere. If and when Natal's new airport happens and the airlines are allowed to grasp the concept of a similar hub as to that of Dubai from NW to SE..then..you can all start counting your pennies...but to promise it, assume it, hope for it or claim it, is somewhat premature until the transportation industry starts doing it. Howdo you get the transport industry to do it..you lobby..you are going to have to lobby because the Brasilian Govt won't do it for you! The alternative is you sell your plots, put the money in the bank and leave your customers with the problem..and in my view that will happen for a long time to come...look at South Africa if you want to see a pattern.
I believe they are working on the airport and it will be a working reality within the next 4-5 years because (to point out one small reason which I'm not bored of repeating yet) the capacity of the current airport already can't cope. For all the other reasons why I believe it, dig through the "Flight" thread - just about all of my posts there gives reasons why I believe it.

I understand what you are saying about South Africa but with all due respect to the country which I'm sure is lovely, I have 0 interest of going there whereas Brazil holds a lot of appeal for me personally. Perhaps because I grew up surrounded by South African and Brazilian families who influenced me. Both were fantastic people, but the folks from SA told me so many nightmares about what was happening that I'm still a bit traumatised.
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Yes but that's personal not business. I don't believe that flights to NE Brazil will increase or get cheaper until real pressure is brought and I don't understand why your industry is not doing the maximum to bring this pressure?
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GW,

I understand your point and do agree with your points about pricing and flexibility, I think it will come but not instantly like Dubai, it will be more organic.

Dubai is pretty unique, the whole thing was bankrolled by the Sheikh/Government. There is no way an extremely hot and humid sand pit like Dubai can become a major hub / real estate market without some serious bankrolling especially when there were/are plenty of other hubs already in existence for the NW to the SE (I have been through all of them many times).

I have been to most property hotspots and NE Brazil is actually a place that both you and me think has a lot of potential (otherwise you wouldn't have bought there ) and is also a great place to visit and/or live, which is something I wouldn't and couldn't say about a lot of other "destinations".

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Yes but that's personal not business. I don't believe that flights to NE Brazil will increase or get cheaper until real pressure is brought and I don't understand why your industry is not doing the maximum to bring this pressure?
Hey! I signed your "petition" to Ryan Air
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That's good considering it was to Easy Jet!
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Haha so it was Now they have the right idea - get people to suggest ways for them to make more money
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Hi all,

Guys n gals we have a FLIGHTS THREAD specifically for flight discussion so can we stop turning all the brazil threads into flight discussions as this keeps happening and Ive had to politely mention this before!!!

The whole brazil forum is not just based on DISCUSSIONS ABOUT FLIGHTS SURELY????

Thankyou for your understanding and commitment to the forum it is still much appreciated-D
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Golfingworld is spot on , it is all about infrastructure , i worked in Brazil from 80-83 and have recently moved back to the country , so whats changed in the 25 years i have been away?...Nothing the BR 101 road is still in most places a two lane highway and is still a death trap , the airports can barely cope with the traffic they have now and it reminds me of a saying i learned from an expat the first time i lived here and that is
" Brazil is the country of the future...and it always will be" That is not to take away from the recent improvement in the economy and the new planned improvements in road and Air travel because they will happen but it will take time , Brazil is a wonderful country to live in and the reality of the less than adequate infrastructure should not put people off making an investment , but the wild claims of future growth need to taken with a very large pinch of salt.
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Hi i see there is a lot of concern about investment in Brazil. I purchased 4 plots of land in Brazil and the process was not complicated. It was all done through a London Law firm.

Do not be scared to invest. I enter the market with a very small capital input and am going to see 100% return.
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Hi i see there is a lot of concern about investment in Brazil. I purchased 4 plots of land in Brazil and the process was not complicated. It was all done through a London Law firm.

Do not be scared to invest. I enter the market with a very small capital input and am going to see 100% return.
Claire-If only it were that simple!!Where did you invest point of interest?
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