Ponta Negra development - Page 4

RalphJ · #31 05-12-2007, 04:33 PM

And beenthere....I've already detailed the sitaution at Viva Vida. And one of the english homeowners there has already came here and made a statement confirming everything I said about it. The homes there were sold from 50% to 150% more to the english than they were to Brazilians. And the agents and developer has tried to justify this price difference by a furniture package that cost around 5-8 thousand reais from Casa Bahia...yet the differences in the purchase prices were anywhere from 50,000 reais to 110,000 reais.

JMBroad · #32 05-12-2007, 04:33 PM

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I lived in the U.S. for my first 33 years of life. And can't think of one instance where something would be sold at a higher price for a foreigner than for an american. In the U.S. money talks, the price is the price. And it doesn't matter if your japanese, chinese, or brazilian.

Haven't been to the States or Canada yet. I imagine it probably wouldn't happen in Japan or China either. I made a sweeping statement and apologise

beenthere · #33 05-12-2007, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by RalphJ

And beenthere....I've already detailed the sitaution at Viva Vida. And one of the english homeowners there has already came here and made a statement confirming everything I said about it. The homes there were sold from 50% to 150% more to the english than they were to Brazilians. And the agents and developer has tried to justify this price difference by a furniture package that cost around 5-8 thousand reais from Casa Bahia...yet the differences in the purchase prices were anywhere from 50,000 reais to 110,000 reais.

So you have one example which you have told us about again and again, yet you keep claiming that every agent is a scammer because of this one case.

So sorry I would like another example that you haven't told us about before, if it is so obvious then it shouldn't be so hard to find should it??

RalphJ · #34 05-12-2007, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by beenthere

So you have one example which you have told us about again and again, yet you keep claiming that every agent is a scammer because of this one case.

So sorry I would like another example that you haven't told us about before, if it is so obvious then it shouldn't be so hard to find should it??

Don't put words in my mouth, I've clearly stated that every agent is not a scammer. And try sticking on topic. My last statement of your rebuttal was concerning brazilians having a "brazilian price" and a "gringo price". And that's common knowledge, but unfortunately you're someone that obviously feeds off of having conflict with people.

beenthere · #35 05-12-2007, 04:55 PM

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Don't put words in my mouth, I've clearly stated that every agent is not a scammer. And try sticking on topic. My last statement of your rebuttal was concerning brazilians having a "brazilian price" and a "gringo price". And that's common knowledge, but unfortunately you're someone that obviously feeds off of having conflict with people.

You still haven't provided another example ...

robh · #36 05-12-2007, 05:14 PM

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It happens all the time.

All you have to do is pick five different real estate agencies who sell Brazil, go through their websites to see if they are offering the same product then compare prices. You are bound to find different prices sooner or later. I know of a couple of developments in Brazil being offered by different agents at different prices.

My issue isn't that it doesn't happen, my issue is with the constant sweeping statements saying that every European agent does it. It's a matter of principle.

JM,

I too know one agent who load all their prices by at least 10%, they are very big and well known, but this doesn't mean that we do it.

So yes I too am getting a bit sick of the sweeping statements.

I have also seen gringo and local prices on property, but in the last few years this has been happening less and less in the popular areas where the prices have been rising.

For example a 5 bed villa for $40k instead of $20k is still a bargain to most gringos (although it would be pretty remote at that price

). Whilst someone doubling a $200k property for gringos is not going to find many buyers.

Rob.

JMBroad · #37 05-12-2007, 05:20 PM

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You still haven't provided another example ...

Another example of what? Different prices for the same development from different agents?

A quick google search and comparison should provide you with a couple.

But beware, the lowest price isn't always the correct price.

There are generally two ways of misrepresenting property prices: Advertising a property at an "incredible" low price - but oh shame, "the units are all sold out BUT we do have some at a slightly higher price" or just inflating the price which is advertised in Brazil. Look for the same product being offered by two different european agents, normally the ones with the bad reputation, the big boy who everyone loves to hate is allegedely involved in this kind of practice.

Funnily enough I took an agency who is probably advertised as having the worst reputation and looked at their website.

They are offering two developments in Brazil, both from a Brazilian developer.

On the first development, the lowest prices they are advertising is lower than the cheapest property on the same development directly from the developer. (about 2000 € cheaper)

On the second development the lowest price they are advertising is 6000 € more expensive than the cheapest property on the same development directly from the developer.

Could be the exchange rate I guess. but then either both would be more expensive or both would be cheaper.

JMBroad · #38 05-12-2007, 05:24 PM

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JM,

I too know one agent who load all their prices by at least 10%, they are very big and well known, but this doesn't mean that we do it.

So yes I too am getting a bit sick of the sweeping statements.

I have also seen gringo and local prices on property, but in the last few years this has been happening less and less in the popular areas where the prices have been rising.

For example a 5 bed villa for $40k instead of $20k is still a bargain to most gringos (although it would be pretty remote at that price

). Whilst someone doubling a $200k property for gringos is not going to find many buyers.

Rob.

That's exactly why I'm making such a fuss about it Rob, because we don't do it either, but still statements are made constantly lumping all european agents in the same basket.

I heard a lot of good things about you and your company during my visit by the way, Alex and Sabine say "hi", I told them I'd pass it on.

robh · #39 05-12-2007, 06:40 PM

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That's exactly why I'm making such a fuss about it Rob, because we don't do it either, but still statements are made constantly lumping all european agents in the same basket.

I heard a lot of good things about you and your company during my visit by the way, Alex and Sabine say "hi", I told them I'd pass it on.

Thanks for the compliment and the message.