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Old 24-01-2008, 01:34 AM
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Sorry had to post again in 2 parts - dont know why!

I have not visited the area myself, but the presentation of the resort plan together with the other developments in the area I think is realistic. As you say prices are not cheap, but there is a big infrastructure cost included in the price. That is not the case with lotamentos like those nearer Forteleza. I personally prefer the Natal area, which is why I live here, but also I reiterate you must visit Brasil to get the feel of the country. Do not look to buy anywhere without taking at least a holiday here!
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guys the picture is still not clear, if you dont like turtlebay, what is the alternative? Closer to Natal? please give prices?
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The accessability re change of flight is a small issue in my opinion. Without flight delays my journey to Natal from Valencia entails 20 hours or more journey door to door, due solely to flight changes in Lisbon.(8hrs without delays) However I would agree there are many other areas available, and I already posted about that,. This resort at Turtle Bay does offer fixed construction prices for the 3 year period and fixed in Sterling. That was brave!! It is not exactly a self build, so you would expect to pay more than a local construction cost, if you are not organising the build yourself. The fact that all infrastructure is in place before final payment also gives some comfort as to the committment to quality.
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Beg to differ on this occasion.An internal flight change in Brazil is anything other than a minor issue.I have yet to accomplish it in under 4 hours and that includes even comparatively short flight times from Fortaleza to Natal (40 minutes)
Nothing "brave" either in quoting build costs at approx twice the current going rate-just slick marketing pitched at those who do not have hands on knowledge of such issues.Basically all Turtle Bay have done is already fully factor in future price increases.Anyone electing to build short term is paying a hefty premium and is also to a large extent subsidising later builds.

Ady1231 would be better off purchasing one of your plots at Maracajau and commissioning his own build,or alternatively,if he is seeking a gated resort community, Sanctuary Bay Ecovillage in Natal.When i met the developer last month they were talking 450m2 second line beach plots at circa £18k pre launch and build costs of £360 to £370 sqm-approx half the price of Turtle Bay!
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I agree the build cost is high, but there is a decent profit for people who have the expertise to contract and manage their own build. those who dont live here have pay a profit to someone else. No constructor will sell at cost! You also have to look at what is included in the build, for 1000R$ per m2.
Certainly I agree that Maracajaś offers a certain profit without building anything, and land investment is a very good option. I have numerous opportunities in the Rio Grande do Norte, and Ady is most welcome to come to see them. He will not be able to buy easiliy without visiting Brasil, the process of Power of Attorney can be quite expensive and complicated, although we can arrange for his CPF number without him being in Brasil.
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You then have only a short window to construct a house in order that the area is not a construction site for an unacceptable time.
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If you do not build within a predetermined period you will be penalised via a substantial fine.
There is no fine or restriction on building times. There are "suggested" building dates for buyers, the "proposed times" being not before Q3 2010 and no later than Q2 2011.

The accessibility didn't concern me too much, because although there is a need for a second, internal flight, for International arrivals Salvador itself welcomes 4 times the amount of arrivals per year than Natal. More than Recife and Natal or Natal and Fortaleza together. Because of this, the chance that some of the 6 million yearly arrivals (or the 3 million inhabitants of Salvador) may be prepared to fly to Porto Seguro to their second residence seemed more likely. Also, the airport is connected with numerous other domestic airports in Brazil.

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guys the picture is still not clear, if you dont like turtlebay, what is the alternative? Closer to Natal? please give prices?
Hi Ady, It is not that I do not like Turtle Bay, I have not visited there. The deal there I believe is fine. However as I have previously posted there are a lot of possibly better options nearer Natal. You cannot simply provide a list of prices and locations on a Forum such as this, but certainly you will find a good plot or plots if you come to visit. The reason I like Maracajaś is that there are several developments projected and being constructed there, so land is certain to increase in value, as the place grows. I have mentioned sample prices in earlier postings here and given current exchange rates. There are not many of us from the forum actually living here permanently, so may I suggest that you Private Message me with some indication of what you could be looking for, and the sort of level of investment you are thinking of. I can then select some current offerings for you.
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Mike,
Ady1231 would be better off purchasing one of your plots at Maracajau and commissioning his own build,or alternatively,if he is seeking a gated resort community, Sanctuary Bay Ecovillage in Natal.When i met the developer last month they were talking 450m2 second line beach plots at circa £18k pre launch and build costs of £360 to £370 sqm-approx half the price of Turtle Bay!
Or he may like a plot in Genipabu in a closed condo- 30 x 15m for around £4500! Just come on the market direct from a brasilian owner.
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JM,
I can assure you there WILL be a fine for those who do not build in their zone within a predetermined time.This is in order to prevent the resort from degenerating into a perpetual building site.

To quote the developers propectus:
"you will need to pay an annual penalty to the community for the disruption caused by later construction.This will be an agreed annual penalty for failing to commit to construction before the agreed date.It will be sufficient to make it pointless to hold onto the plot".
So not only will there be a fine-it will be a very substantial one.

The only conclusion i can draw from those who claim to be not overly concerned with the necessity of another internal flight at the end of an arduous Transatlantic jaunt is that perhaps they have not done it that often-internal flights really are a nightmare.

This however, to a large extent is missing the point somewhat;that being that there is little purpose in subjecting oneself to this lengthy trek when not only are there better alternatives available ,but they are also infinitely more accessible.
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Hi, Please give me more about this plot, and what options do i have in majracao? i can visit brazil in 4 weeks time.

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Hi, Please give me more about this plot, and what options do i have in majracao? i can visit brazil in 4 weeks time.

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I assume you are referring to the one in Genipabu- it is in a lotamento called Colinas do Genipabu, and I understand that there are several houses already constructed. As it is new on the market, I have to visit it when in the area so I can take photos etc. It is not however really close to the beach- I would say around 500m or so. It apparently has views, as it on a hill.

In Maracajaś there are many options - plots on the beach, second line, large plots to develop, or small plots for just one house, or you can look at our site and there you will see that you can buy a beach house complete. If you are coming here in 4 weeks, give me all the details I requested and I will prepare an itinerary for you to see various options.
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