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Old 05-07-2008, 04:03 PM
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Interesting article on Globo.com today concerning the "cost and ease of doing business in Brazil". Brazil ranks 80th out of 118 countries evaluated.


Brasil ainda é país fechado para comércio, dizem analistas
Relatório coloca o país atrás de Uganda e Sri Lanka em abertura comercial.

Tarifas, ambiente de negócios e violência estão entre as barreiras brasileiras.
(Brazil is still a "closed" country in regards to business say analysts. Report places Brazil behind Uganda and Sri Lanka in "ease of doing business". Taxes, business environment and violence are among the brazilian barriers.)

O Brasil é líder mundial nas exportações de diversos produtos como açúcar, etanol, carne bovina e suco de laranja. O país é responsável atualmente por cerca de 1% do comércio mundial e tem como meta elevar essa participação para 1,25% até 2010, de acordo com a nova política industrial do governo, lançada no início de maio.

É nesse ambiente de aparente efervescência que o Fórum Econômico Mundial (WEF, na sigla em inglês) divulgou, no final de junho, um relatório onde o Brasil aparece apenas na 80ª colocação entre os mais abertos ao comércio mundial, atrás de países como Uganda, Guatemala e Sri Lanka. (continue a ler esta reportagem após o infográfico).

Segundo especialistas consultados pelos G1, o estudo é correto ao concluir que o Brasil ainda é mais restrito nessa área que diversas outras nações em situação econômica similar.

"De modo geral, o Brasil ainda é um país fechado", confirma José Luiz Rossi Júnior, professor de macroeconomia do Ibmec São Paulo.

"Além do relatório, isso é comprovado por diversos indicadores, como a participação do comércio exterior no PIB (Produto Interno Bruto) do país", explica.

De acordo com o Banco Mundial, entre 1994 e 2006, essa participação cresceu de 20% para pouco menos de 30% do PIB brasileiro. No mesmo período, a média mundial passou de 40% para cerca de 60% do PIB global. Ou seja, o comércio brasileiro cresce menos que o do resto do mundo.

Assim, não surpreende que o Global Enabling Trade Index, do Fórum Econômico Mundial, afirme que "os mercados brasileiros continuam a ser fechados, com barreiras inibindo o comércio de bens" e que "os procedimentos comerciais são complicados" por aqui.

O relatório não apenas colocou o país atrás do México e da Argentina – dois mercados com os quais os Brasil costuma ser comparado – como também na penúltima posição entre os chamados BRICs, grupo formado por quatro países em desenvolvimento – Brasil, Rússia, Índia e China. O país só ficou à frente da Rússia, que, por ainda não fazer parte da Organização Mundial do Comércio (OMC), é considerada pelos analistas um país "primitivo" na área comercial.


Barreira tarifária


Segundo o estudo, o alto nível tarifário é uma das maiores barreiras impostas pelo país. "A tarifa média de importações do Brasil é de 8,3%. No Chile e na Costa Rica, por exemplo, ficam entre 3% e 4%. Na Alemanha, uma das líderes mundiais , é de 1,1%", informa Margareta Drzeniek Hanouz, uma das autoras do trabalho do WEF, em entrevista ao G1. Em "Hong Kong, líder nessa área, simplesmente não existem tarifas", completa.

"Temos uma tarifa maior que a média, especialmente na área industrial", concorda André Nassar , diretor-geral do Instituto de Estudo do Comércio e Negociações Internacionais (Icone).

"Isso normalmente é usado como defesa para setores que não conseguem competir diretamente com os estrangeiros. É por isso que nas negociações comerciais da OMC o Brasil sempre luta para reduzir menos suas tarifas que os demais países", diz. Segundo analistas, os setores com maior tarifa de importação são o automobilístico e o de eletroeletrônicos.


Violência

Outro item que chama a atenção no estudo é a importância dada à questão da violência e da falta de segurança como inibidora do comércio. Embora reconheça o Brasil como "livre de terrorismo", o WEF diz que o país precisa urgentemente "limitar o impacto do crime".

"O problema é que a violência aumenta o custo do seguro de carga, que é muito alto no Brasil", diz Rossi, do Ibmec São Paulo. "Temos um sério problema de roubo de cargas. Muitos caminhões precisam de escolta e de monitoramento via satélite, o que encarece os custos de frete e de logística", completa Nassar.

O país também teve um desempenho ruim na avaliação de ambiente para se fazer negócios. Segundo Margareta, o Brasil peca nas áreas de burocracia, regulamentação e transparência.

"O Brasil ainda é um dos locais onde é mais difícil se fazer um negócio no mundo"(Brazil is still one of the locations most difficult to do business in the world), afirma ela. "Falta estabilidade. Temos uma grande incerteza jurídica causada pela ingerência política nos órgãos de regulação e controle: mudanças de governo quase sempre significam mudanças nas regras do jogo", explica Rossi.

"Essa incerteza fica clara na área de infra-estrura", acredita Nassar. "Projetos nesse setor levam anos para ficar prontos e dar retorno. Então, é preciso estabilidade para que estrangeiros invistam. É algo que ainda não ocorre, e que força o governo a ser majoritário na maior parte desses projetos", exemplifica.


Destaque


Por outro lado, o país teve um desempenho elogiado na área de administração de fronteiras, que envolve os procedimentos de processamento e fiscalização de mercadorias nas alfândegas.

"Pelo nossos números, o Brasil tem eficiência e transparência em seu controle de fronteiras", diz Margareta – algo surpreendente, dada a má fama dos controles fronteiriços da Receita.

"Possuímos um sistema informatizado de processamento chamado Siscomex (Sistema Integrado de Comércio Exterior) que é muito rápido", diz Rossi. "Mesmo não resolvendo todos os problemas nessa área, nos dá vantagem frente a outros países", completa.

Nassar, do Icone, discorda. Para ele, a legislação ainda exige uma série de procedimentos burocráticos para operações de exportação e importação. "Os exportadores precisam apresentar uma série de documentos chamados licenças prévias e automáticas. É o tipo de procedimento que outros países já aboliram há muito tempo", afirma.


G1 > Economia e Negócios - NOT�CIAS - Brasil ainda é país fechado para comércio, dizem analistas


There is an interesting flash player graph on the site that ranks countries in regards to numerous factors. For those that wish to translate this article try Yahoo! Babel Fish - Text Translation and Web Page Translation and you'll get the jist.

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I don't know how much the energy is in Spain. I know our habits here and I know that I pay a good bit more for my energy bill here in Brazil, and seem to use less, than I do in the U.S.
That's why I wanted to do the little exercise - it all depends on what we are comparing the prices to. For you it may seem expensive, for me it seems cheap - for someone living in England it may seem more expensive or cheaper, I can't be sure as I haven't lived there in a while - anyone living in England want to give us an idea of their electricity costs which compare to Ralhpj's and my description?
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That's why I wanted to do the little exercise - it all depends on what we are comparing the prices to. For you it may seem expensive, for me it seems cheap - for someone living in England it may seem more expensive or cheaper, I can't be sure as I haven't lived there in a while - anyone living in England want to give us an idea of their electricity costs which compare to Ralhpj's and my description?
Hi all, I live in a 3 bed terrace house in England, myself and my wife,we have gas for cooking, just the hob, electric oven, gas central heating,only used when it is really cold, otherwise gas fire,two tv,s on approx 6hrs per day, and my laptop on from getting up to going to bed.The washing machine is on probably 3 times per week,and apart from usual appliances,ie vacuum cleaner fridge freezer,and lights, that is about the extent of our energy useage, we currently pay £70 per month by standing order, which is adjusted either up or down annually according to use, I think our bills would be lower than that in Brazil,and am quite willing to take the gamble, when you add in rates of £800 plus per year, water rates of £320 per year, petrol at £1-18 per litre,and the price of food and other essentials rising by up to 10% everytime you go to the shop, Brazil does not seem too expensive.I know prices of tv,s and white goods are more expensive in Brazil, but these are not items you buy weekly, or even annually so it,s swings and roundabouts you gain in some ways and lose in others, but at least in Brazil you have got the weather, it,s now July, and apart from the odd day,it is rain and more rain, and temperatures struggling to top 20 degrees. Graham.
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So:

John in Spain:
Apartment (1 bed) - 1 person
No air conditioning
3 machine washes per week
PC always on
TV on maybe 1.5 hours every two weeks (to watch a DVD)
Cook 2-3 meals a week all electric

Ralphj in Brazil:
Apartment (assuming 2 bed) 2-3 persons
Air conditioning
2 TV's
One PC
2 machine washes a week
Cooking on gas

Graham in England:
3 bed terrace house 2 persons
Gas central heating, gas fire
2 tv's 6 hrs/day
PC on all day
3 machine washes per week
Cooking on Gas

Standard fees:
John in Spain: 75 € / month (1 person) only electric
Graham in UK: 88 € / month (2 persons) uses a lot of gas
Ralph in Brazil: 98 € /month (2-3 persons) all electric incl. air conditioning, cooking is gas
We should add the gas charges in as well to get a better idea.

Anyone else want to join in? Perhaps someone in the US or another European country?

So far I think Brazil is proving to be cheaper considering Ralph uses Air Conditioning which neither Graham and I use and services more people than both Graham and myself.
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So:

John in Spain:
Apartment (1 bed) - 1 person
No air conditioning
3 machine washes per week
PC always on
TV on maybe 1.5 hours every two weeks (to watch a DVD)
Cook 2-3 meals a week all electric

Ralphj in Brazil:
Apartment (assuming 2 bed) 2-3 persons
Air conditioning
2 TV's
One PC
2 machine washes a week
Cooking on gas

Graham in England:
3 bed terrace house 2 persons
Gas central heating, gas fire
2 tv's 6 hrs/day
PC on all day
3 machine washes per week
Cooking on Gas

Standard fees:
John in Spain: 75 € / month (1 person) only electric
Graham in UK: 88 € / month (2 persons) uses a lot of gas
Ralph in Brazil: 98 € /month (2-3 persons) all electric except cooking, air conditioning

We should add the gas charges in as well to get a better idea.

Anyone else want to join in? Perhaps someone in the US or another European country?

So far I think Brazil is proving to be cheaper considering Ralph uses Air Conditioning which neither Graham and I use and services more people than both Graham and myself.
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I now live in a large house, but still, only my fiance and myself and daughter twice a week. Pretty much same deal as my apartment only we use and electric lawn mower to mow the lawn once per week......my bill has been as low as 550 reais a month up to 1,000 reais.

550 to 1000 reais unfortunately is not 98 euros, but 218 to 397 euros!!!


And thank the good lord for the warm weather here. I wouldn't want to imagine my energy and/or gas bills for heating homes here. And even scarier, what would everyone do here when the electricity and/or gas goes down as it so commonly does?

Once again, cost/benefit. Imagine paying close to or in many cases more than what you pay in England, Europe, or the U.S. and your products/services being of low quality and unstable, problematic and difficult to resolve problems. Look at the chart on Globo.com that I posted concerning Brazil and the "ease of doing business and open markets". They address many of these issues such as infrastructure, taxes, security, etc. This is called "Custo Brasil"!!

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I lived in an apartment, only my fiancé and myself, daughter comes twice a week, two tv's, very rarely both on at once, one computer, one air conditioner, which was only on at night, and one washing machine, used twice a week, and our power bills ran from 250 to 450 reais per month.
99 Euros to 179 Euros. Assuming that 99 is the standard?
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That's why I wanted to do the little exercise - it all depends on what we are comparing the prices to. For you it may seem expensive, for me it seems cheap - for someone living in England it may seem more expensive or cheaper, I can't be sure as I haven't lived there in a while - anyone living in England want to give us an idea of their electricity costs which compare to Ralhpj's and my description?

I still spend time in the U.S. Also still have a residence there, as well as my entire family lives there. My sister is married with 3 children, and their energy bills are cheaper than mine here. I know one thing for certain, utilities in the U.S. are MUCH cheaper than Brazil and of MUCH higher quality and extremely less problematic.
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99 Euros to 179 Euros. Assuming that 99 is the standard?


No, that was the LEAST amount of my energy bills and that was before I moved into the house where I currently live and have lived for one year now. Since I have moved into my house my cheapest bill has been 550 reais, and has gone up to 1000 reais. I would say the medium of my energy bills in my apartment were approximately 350 reais.
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Well, I'm interested in hearing whether 99 is the standard (which I assumed it was) or 179.

179 would make it a lot more expensive than Spain, even with the additional air conditioning and extra people.
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No, that was the LEAST amount of my energy bills and that was before I moved into the house where I currently live and have lived for one year now. Since I have moved into my house my cheapest bill has been 550 reais, and has gone up to 1000 reais. I would say the medium of my energy bills in my apartment were approximately 350 reais.
Ouch. I'd probably still save money as I eat out so much (being a lazy bachelor) simply because food is so much cheaper in restaurants in Brazil compared to Spain but with regards to Electricity, according to that comparison, it's a lot cheaper in Spain.
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