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Egypt property The property market in Egypt is primarily focused around the Red sea and Mediterranean coastline. Property investors are also buying in and around the main urban hubs of Cairo, Alexandria and Luxor, The Egyptian governments pro-active policies for attracting overseas investment has created an economic climate geared for growth in the Egyptian property market. Do you agree? Please state your views and opinions here on our new Egyptian property forum.

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I really need some clarification on this because the Complete Guide goes to press in the next 24 hours and the information that I have currently is that the interest rate that HSBC is charging is in the region of 13.5-15% (Egyptian Interbank rate is 12%)

I'll look a complete idiot if it turns out to be true that the rates are really only 6%.

The 13.5 - 15% rate comes on pretty good authority though.
Egypt is not a third world country, but it is a developing country. It has no history of stability since the demise of the monarchy in the fifties,when the egyptian pound was one to one with british pound.

There is little to no chance that any foreign investor will be able to borrow money for any thing even off the biggest bank in the world (HSBC)

As a resident I enquired about a credit card here in Egypt, I have lived here for two years and have passed a very acceptable amountof money throughmy HSBC account. I also bank with them in the uk.

To geta credit card with alimit of 10000 le around 950 GBP all I have to do is lodge 20000 le with the bank.

This is worse than a debit card.

In summary any one that offers a mortgage to foreign investors is lying, it is a sales ploy to get people to put their life savings down as a deposit,expecting rental returns and loans that will not happen in the short term.

When people default the developer relies on the fact that the client will be too embarassed to make a fuss and walk away from their deposit.

Any one in this situation should realise they are legally allowed to claim back 90% of any monies paid by Egyptian law, making the mistake a little easier.

All banks in Egypt offer loans on property, non offer mortgages because in Egyptian Law,should the borrower default on payments,the lender has no rights to reposses the property.

So 6%, 10%, 15% or 50% the offer will never be realised in the current market place.

My humble advice,as a developer who wants to sell as many properties,as quickly as possible, is that, if you have not or can not pay for your investment from funds or equity you have in your own country, Do not get involved.

It is easy to let your emotions run away with you when you are having fun in the sun, but remember, act in haste,repent at leisure. There are thousands of properties for sale, take your time, consult a solicitor,do not be rushed in to anything. A respectable developer will allow youtime to check. But above all take advice from independant purchasers, there are hundreds on the web.

I hope this has been of some value to some people

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Are you confident that you will get these mortgages from HSBC at 6%? This is completely different from offers made to other very large Developers in the same area. I would be worried about offering your projects with a mortgage to my clients unless you can absolutely guarantee that it will happen on the terms you publish. Do you have a letter from HSBC with the full terms of the offer?
Peter we do not offer any loans on any developments, can you tell me where you got this figure as I think my wife may be going mad!
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Now I'm more confused than ever.

First you post to say that Egyptian mortgages are on their way from HSBC for 6%

Then 20 hours later you post again to say that there's no way on earth that anyone's going to be getting a mortgage from HSBC any time soon and anyone who says it's possible is a cheat and a liar!

Am I missing something here?
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Now I'm more confused than ever.

First you post to say that Egyptian mortgages are on their way from HSBC for 6%

Then 20 hours later you post again to say that there's no way on earth that anyone's going to be getting a mortgage from HSBC any time soon and anyone who says it's possible is a cheat and a liar!

Am I missing something here?

Oh - that was your wife before and now it's you.

OK, that explains it. My girlfriend/partner comes out with some mad things as well from time to time! :
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Who knows. All I know is things can change very quickly in Egypt... my lawyers and consultants are always having to re-check on current laws on foreigners for every aspect of my business in Egypt...
I have spoken to many lawyers in egypt, non give the same answer, also consulted the govermental bodies who are presently out at court to give definitive explanations. I have tracked down a maverick lawer (that reminds me of Love joy the antique dealer) who is british and has dealt in arabic countries for some years. His name is Phil Morris of Law limited and can be contacted at p.morris@lawlimited.co.uk, he is registered by the british law society. (sothat will cost more money, but you can negotiate)

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"All banks in Egypt offer loans on property, non offer mortgages because in Egyptian Law,should the borrower default on payments,the lender has no rights to reposses the property."

Hi Andy

What is the difference between a "loan on property", and a "mortgage" in Egypt.

Any idea what the exact Egytian LAW number is that covers this issue please.

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So, there are NO mortgages available in Egypt?
This information would be interesting as it helps to drive the prices and adds liquidity to the market.
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I would be surprised if there wasn't going to be any mortgages available in the Egyptian market,Lets hope someone can provide some concrete information regarding this topic.
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Thank you Andy! This is what I have been saying for months. There are indeed brokers around offering 65% LTV on Egyptian properties at 6.5% interest rates but to my certain knowledge the company concerned could not confirm that any mortgages have yet been completed.
They present a clients personal documents to Egyptian banks, along with the due diligence on the project, and charge clients an up front arrangement fee.
The client then gets 'an offer in principal' from the Broker. This is not the same as a mortgage offer from a bank and anyone following this route should be absolutely clear that when the time comes to pay the Developer they will still have to find the money from somewhere or risk losing their property.
Please someone tell me I am wrong?
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I believe El Riad are 60 to 65% on lotus breeze.
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