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Old 22-02-2008, 01:35 AM
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Hi Girls,

Simple if you get your bottom pinched make sure you have the right culprit and get him arrested.There is always some kind of police around make a big noise,maybe this will be the only way to stop these guys from even thinking about it.
I am not getting on to anybody here as what is happening is unacceptable no matter what,however have a think and see if you are ideally dressed should you wander out onto the streets.Unfortunately I have seen a lot of Egyptian women covered up receiving the same sort of treatment as well as been taunted,so do not think it is only the tourists they pick on.
I wish some nice lady would pinch my bottom,I certainly wouldn't be shouting help
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Old 22-02-2008, 10:27 AM
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tourism is great for developing countries but lets not forget it works in negative ways too. more money for developers and tour companies, less for local people, lots of brits going over thinking there pounds is currency for treating the local people like second class citizens as if they owned the place.then and disrespecting the people and values. this subject is about sexual harrassment , look at all the sexual harrassment that happens in our own back yard. i personally think that if you are going to another country you go there to experience local life and people and that means you respect their culture, you respect their beliefs and you act accordingly.

theres always benidorm for those who don't give a damn .
Agreed 100%....and I can't agree with what Aegean says at all. I live in Bahrain and it's the same here - Europeans, Americans etc assuming that because they live here, buy property here and spend money here, in return, they should be able to live exactly as they do at 'home' and expect the locals to accept it without a fuss. There's an outcry in Britain when muslim women want to wear a scarf, then you come to a muslim country and feel it your 'right' to wear what you like - no matter who it may offend. So migrants to Britain should conform to British ways and when we Brits go abroad they should also conform to our ways!!! Doesn't make sense to me. (Needless to say, I don't condone sexual harrassment in any way, shape or form).
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Old 22-02-2008, 10:42 AM
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I agree with you Linda; there is no excuse for this type of behaviour but equally it is our own personal responsibility to understand the culture of the countires we visit and to behave/dress accordingly. If you taunt a tiger he will bite; its his nature.
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Old 22-02-2008, 11:07 AM
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Firstly - the thread was initially about sexual harassment which occurs far more often in say Eygpt / Turkey etc. Now I agree that some women do walk around with showing far to much but lets be honest the haressment is directed not just to them but any western looking woman and in many cases girls underage.

Secondly areas being developed are in the main targeted not towards the local market but western europe market so I can't see why it is wrong for a female walking in a short skirt and a top even if it shows here belly.

For example here in Turkey many locations that have been developed next to small poor coastal villages would still be poor coastal villages if they had not been develpped to cater for the overseas market. As you say they can't have it both ways.

Most developments are constructed to cater for holiday homes so tourists will go and relax and enjoy themselves.
I don't understand your example of people in poor Turkish villages. They're not having it both ways. The developers will be making big money, no doubt local shop keepers will be doing alright, but the army of waiters, gardeners, maids, cleaners etc will be making very basic wages and for that they must put their own values aside and be grateful for the money that the tourists bring. I doubt they had much say in the development of their village in the first place! It's no wonder that many of us brits abroad, don't have a good reputation.
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Thanks Peter - it's something I feel quite strongly about. As you've said previously, if you're in one of the resorts that's something else - just as living on compounds here means that you can live as you choose - but when you're out and about, you should respect the values/morals of the local people.
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Sexual harrasment in any form is unacceptable, be in it the UK, US Egypt or anywhere.

But in Muslim countries and in the Muslim culture modesty for both men and women is paramount, so you can understand why the local people may be offended if anyone dresses against the norm or in an offensive way according to the loacl religious culture.

Issab makes a very valid point, Muslims in the UK are constantly hounded about fitting into the UK culture, so I believe as UK citizens when travelling to Egypt we should be sensitive to the local culture, and not dress (men and women) in a way that will be offensive to the local people.

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You miss the point - If a country markets itself as a Tourist destination they have to expect the cultural differences of the tourists that they have spent all the money to attract to their tourist destinations.

As i said some people do not dress correctly but they are in the minority and should expect what happens to the.

For instance in Bodrum I never see Turkish tourist women who dress the same as say British tourist women getting disrespected. Its all about the culture here as they see the Brit as a sex object who has money. Is it acceptable which was the thread here.

You can't blame the tourist for going on holiday and wanting to relax within limits. It appears some here just think that every Brit will go on holiday - lay around showing their t*ts all day and go out showing everything - getting drunk - and "Just asking for it". they are in the minority. But why are the majority also hassled.
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We were walking down the road and my daughter who was 12 at the time was pinched on the backside by a local shopkeeper. We were just walking past and she certainly was not dressed in anything revealing as we her parents would not allow it. But he still took it upon himself to touch a child which of course is very very wrong in any country - whatever age or gender.
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You miss the point - If a country markets itself as a Tourist destination they have to expect the cultural differences of the tourists that they have spent all the money to attract to their tourist destinations.

As i said some people do not dress correctly but they are in the minority and should expect what happens to the.

For instance in Bodrum I never see Turkish tourist women who dress the same as say British tourist women getting disrespected. Its all about the culture here as they see the Brit as a sex object who has money. Is it acceptable which was the thread here.

You can't blame the tourist for going on holiday and wanting to relax within limits. It appears some here just think that every Brit will go on holiday - lay around showing their t*ts all day and go out showing everything - getting drunk - and "Just asking for it". they are in the minority. But why are the majority also hassled.
I don't think I'm missing the point - maybe we're making different ones Harrasment is never acceptable and what happenend to your daughter Queenie, is really, really horrible. I don't think that every Brit on holiday is going to do what you suggest I just think that because we spend our money there, we shouldn't feel we have the right to do as we please. In fact the men that are doing what they do are totally ignorant of their own culture and I don't condone it at all.
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Agree possibly we are misunderstanding each other,

However, I still maintain that if advertised in say western europe as tourist location they have to expect some arseholes will come. Having said that my point is it's not just the arseholes that have to endure the harressment. If its a problem local authorities must get a grip of it otherwise tourist will vote with their feet and locals who may well on on minimum wages will have no wages.

Price locals have to accept - can't sell their land for tourist development then cry and moan if tourist happen to not be what they want.
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